Talk:Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians

Content added

I have added more content to this article. I also can get some images together, and put in even more. Waya sahoni 08:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC) UPDATED: Content and cleanup. Waya sahoni 09:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Population figures

Since this is a page for an individual tribal entity, and not the tribe as a whole, the "total population" should have the population of that tribe, and not the tribe as a whole (to avoid confusing the reader.) You also need to work on having consistency throughout the articles, as I saw different numbers for each of the articles. I've fixed it so the population of the tribe is at the top, under the flag, as it should be. Thanks, Ono (talk) 06:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Off-topic section: Cherokee bears

I will remove this off-topic/coatrack section in a few days unless someone objects on this talk page. --AntigrandiosË^Talk 23:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Way off topic! GenQuest (talk) 20:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. GenQuest (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

CUT: Section: Cherokee bears

{Off-topic|Bob Barker|date=June 2011}

{Coat rack|People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals|date=June 2011}

In 2009 Bob Barker teamed up with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to call on Michell Hicks, principal chief of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, to correct treatment of bears kept in three privately owned zoos in the Qualla Boundary. They suggested the zoos be closed and the animals transferred to more favorable facilities. Critics alleged the animals were caged in excessively small quarters that did not meet recommended standards for animal treatment. Michell Hicks met with Bob Barker and listened to Barker's proposals but defended the zoos.

References

Durbin Feeling update

A new draft for a Durbin Feeling, Cherokee National Treasure page includes his et al 2019 Cherokee Narratives book including the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. It would be great to mention Durbin Feeling, a Cherokee Linguist, and link to this page at least once in this article, perhaps under See Also. Collaboration is appreciated! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Durbin_Feeling,_Cherokee_National_Treasure — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:DCE0:ADB0:D548:25DB:EC33:1A9B (talk) 21:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Durbin Feeling was not a member of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, but the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. While I understand the motivations, there is no justification. --WashuOtaku (talk) 03:32, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Forcibly Removed vs Participate

While I agree with you, forcibly removed is quite different from participation, Washuotaku, those edits that the IP address made weren't actually wrong. The Cherokee were forcibly removed. It wasn't a sporting event they "participated" in. The vast majority were herded into camps and marched under gunpoint and against their will to Oklahoma and then their homes and lands were divided and sold to American settlers. This was the result of the Indian Removal Act of 1830. IP could have provided some sources to go with it and that's why I agree with you reverting their edits on that technicality. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 19:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

By no means I was making light of the situation with the revert. The wording that was being used had no context with it was all, and to explain all that would have been far more than the simple paragraph that currently exist. I do encourage anyone with strong knowledge of the subject, and can explain it in layman's terms, to please make the appropriate changes for the further benefit of all of us. --WashuOtaku (talk) 22:04, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

"Participated" is definitely misleading here. I think the old wording of "forcibly removed" was fine, and I'm going to revert it to that. I don't believe that more sources are required in this article to prove that the Cherokee were forcibly removed, because the Trail of Tears page, which is linked in the very same sentence, details it very accurately. If I'm breaking any Wikipedia protocols here, please let me know. Aquaticonions (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. It is very misleading. The Cherokee were not all willing participants in this removal. I think it would be ok to explain that some left willingly while these who were moved later in the process were not willing participants and were forcibly removed. A case can be made that even those who did sign and agree with the Treaty were not given much choice in the matter. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 19:52, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree with everything you've said, Tsistunagiska. A note that some Cherokees moved west prior to the Trail of Tears would be good further clarifying information, but what we have written now is correct. It might not hurt to say, for instance, "...who neither migrated west prior to the Indian Removal Act, nor were forcibly subjected to the Trail of Tears..." or something like that. That wording is a bit clunky, and I'm not an expert on Cherokee history myself so I'd rather someone more knowledgeable made the edit. Let me know what you think! Aquaticonions (talk) 16:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I am just of the belief that not everything needs to be updated all the time. The wording is perfectly fine as it stands for me. Of the approx. 18,000 Cherokee that were forced out of the territory they called home, only a few hundred might have migrated "willingly". I placed that in parenthesis because no Cherokee, if given the choice to migrate or stay without recourse, would have elected to move. The vast majority were forced under gunpoint, escorted by militia and soldiers, to march from Tennessee through Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri and Arkansas to Oklahoma. There is nothing wrong with calling it the Trail of Tears, indeed there is a Cherokee word for it (Nvnadaulatsvyi ᏅᎾᏓᎤᎳᏨᏱ - The trail where we cried), though I still refer to it as the Removal more often than the Trail of Tears but that's a personal preference. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 17:24, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good, I'm happy to leave it as is in that case. Aquaticonions (talk) 21:37, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Update on Mounds and Towns, Nikwasi Trail, and related

I've added content and cites to provide an overview of some of the EBCI's historic preservation efforts - with acquisition of mounds (and sometimes related town areas) since the late 20th century, development with partners of the Nikwasi Trail, and collaboration on a major project in indigenous archeology, known for short as the Mounds and Towns project, since 2011. There can certainly be more on this topic, and addition of more sources, but wanted to bring some of the basic content up to date, because of mound acquisitions in 2019 and 2020.Parkwells (talk) 17:39, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Tribal holidays

Looking for sources for tribal holidays. Today is Elders Day, which was established by legislation in 2019. I only see Facebook posts mentioning these details and I wasn't sure if Facebook could be used as a source. Thanks. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 12:16, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Sources must come from reputable sources, typically from third party sources like a book, magazine, newspaper, or media; it would also need to be linked so others can validate. Facebook as a source would not qualify. As for where best the holidays be located, I am not sure this article is the correct destination, as would it be recognized by other Cherokee tribes as well, or at least some overlap? A new article perhaps regarding Cherokee holidays, but it would need to be well sourced then. --WashuOtaku (talk) 19:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)